i have a few jw relatives who are true believers.
by this i mean, they believe with all their heart that 1914 was the beginning of the last days, that this is the last generation, that we are in the very last of the last hour of this system of things, and that you should obey the governing body even if it does not make sense.
all of them are in their 60s and up into their 90s there is nothing you can say or show them to convince them or even cause a small doubt that the wt is not god organization.
I agree with what most of you guys are saying.
The gb has done an incredible job in substituting themselves as the only way to attain salvation.
The last time I spoke to a jw in depth about their beliefs, their faith in the GB was all that counted. As an elder friend said to me in 2019, 'to question the gb was to question jehovah '. I told him, if he truly believed in God, then his thinking was dangerous. He hasn't spoken to me since then.
here it is ,the end of a year and a new one starting tomorrow.. i do not want to reflect on the bad the year brought us ,but thankfully i will move into the new year glad that i am still here to enjoy the good things in life that are still here .. though i've had some personal bad stuff happening like all do from time to time i did have things to be thankful for ,like my loving partners support and a wonderful christmas visit with my daughters family and grand children.. i had to plan my driving trip to queensland in between covid shutdowns but this made it more exciting and helped me to see i should not take family for granted.. so i'm thankful for the good the year brought and yet sorrowful for those in the world who had bad things happen.. that's the stuff of life and sometimes it's worse for a while and then change brings better times.. i don't believe the strike of clock will bring change but what we do in our lives will ,i've made bad decisions that have lbrought life long change for bad but i have made some for good.
some things from outside will bring change ,like covid ,but it is how we handle things that really matters for the future.. the one big thing i am thankful for is getting insight from this wonderful site that helped me see what the disgusting watchtower org is in reality , and over the years have seen thru others here how they broke the clutches of a cult of liars.. so thank you all and hope that the future brings some happiness as well ,agong with the sorrow and especially to all the ozzies on here.
Good on ya Wozza,
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cop: it looks like your dog got run over by a truck.
jw: i know, i know, but he has a nice personality..
Because they have been trained to be dishonest.
december 25, 2020. to selected bodies of elders assigned to the covid-19.
re: adjustments to arrangements for meeting family food needs during the covid-19 pandemic.
dear brothers:.
This is interesting, does it apply only to the U. S., or is it a world wide directive?
Suspending a government sponsered food program because of 'safety' concerns seems odd, especially when it goes on to say, get help from local government if it's available.
You know with the org that there is always more to the story.
i just saw a post on reddit: ‘wt are prepping the r&f for changes in the march/april meeting workbook’.. in the post the person noted what they read (for march 8) and it mentioned bethel adjustments and reference was made to 2015 when bethelites were let go.. if this happens (yet again) another bunch of people are being sent home to fend for themselves in the big bad world at an advanced age with little to no preparation.
even though this doesn’t surprise me, it could not come at a worse time with a global pandemic and massive job loss everywhere..congregations are already in turmoil because of so many who reached retirement age totally unprepared because they were told armageddon would be here before they reached that age.
this is in addition to all the other ‘needy’ and troubled types in the congregations looking for as$istance.. i hope any bethelites there have a plan and some people they can contact.
All that will be left at Warwick eventually will be the gb, a handful of software engineers, lawyers, and someone to clean the pool.
so says joe biden.. anybody agree with this?
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Nhs has recently changed the wording of their transgender guidelines and taken a much more cautious approach. They are now saying that hormone replacement therapy may not be reversible. That's food for thought.
Whatever you believe, it's an unnecessary medical procedure conducted on a child, who has limited understanding of the consequences.
if you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
I agree Simon,
It's good to break up discussions with other subjects besides what's happening in jw land.
I think that Trump era politics have, and will continue to seed discussions that, while starting with good intentions, end up devolving into toxicity. Not just here but on every forum. I think a lot of people are a bit over it.
if you accuse people of being stuck in jw mindset or "cult-like" mentality simply because someone has a different view of politics than you, you'll be deleted.. it's insulting and a lazy substitute for having any real argument for a proper debate.. what next ... "you smell" ?.
I've appreciated the incredibly helpful information on this website for many years.
I hope it's ok to give some feedback. Maybe the whole issue of politics shouldn't be allowed the amount of oxygen that it gets here. It is, after all, a site that many people come to for a discussion about religious beliefs and doctrines of jws.
I'm not saying that politics, or any other subject shouldn't be discussed, but over the last few years, political subjects here have become a bit tiresome and detract from the objective of the website.
Just my 2 cents.
my brother (who is a witness) has been married for 8 years.
he and his wife (also a witness) got married young, but he never really tried in the marriage, but she also lost his trust early on.
he says that it was his fault though because he pushed her away.. anyways, he met this new girl (not a witness) and told his wife that he wanted to separate.
At first I was going to reply and say that your brother sounds like a dirtbag.
But then I remembered that I've seen this situation play out quite a few times and partly, it's the unhealthy result of being in a strict cult.
There are plenty of remarried dubs, holding hands and smiling during the watchtower study who deliberately committed adultery in order to divorce their partners.
assume for a minute that god created everything.
there was nothing before him and everything is because of him.
every single thing in the universe he is directly responsible for.. somehow the good stuff we should thank him for but the bad stuff is nothing to do with him, it is our fault.. this world that he created that was “good” has turned in to a right shitshow but despite being absolutely responsible for it from start to finish it is not his fault and in fact he has somehow turned this round so that instead of being to blame he is the person who is going to sort the problems and we should be thankful..
Pete, I remember hearing that dental problems causing gum disease and painful complications from that are the cause of most deaths in animals.
The bible says that all men sin and therefore must die. Ok, whatever, being sinful and have to die is one thing, but if death is payment, why is suffering necessary? Why can't everyone get 80 good years and then die? Why do kids have to starve to death? Why are babies born with fatal illnesses, diseases, deformaties? Isn't dying and losing everything and everyone enough payment.
These are the questions that make me believe that a loving God is a myth.
